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Help requested posted on 7th October 2020:

Do all drivers speed?

Some young oink has advertised on Facebook when and where there is a speed camera,.I have said that I think it's against the law, he said not, we got into an argument about it. I know that to flash headlights at drivers to warn them is, but to warn them on Facebook is less clear, can you advise? Also, I was looking for statistics on what percentage of drivers speed, the same young oink says that ALL drivers speed, I disagree with him saying that there are a lot of careful drivers out there. Can you either tell me an answer or point me in the right direction to find some answers please? Kind regards Duncan

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Response posted on 7th October 2020 by:
Rod King

E: rod.k@20splenty.org
T: 07973639781

Do all drivers speed?

Well many police forces publish their speed camera locations so I guess if someone is pointing out something already in the public domain then it is difficult to see how it is illegal. See https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/request/speed-camera-information/mobile-speed-camera-enforcement-schedules/ for an example in Avon and Somerset.

Interestingly, of these, 112 (23%) of the sites are for 20mph limited roads.

There is a report by DfT each year which shows the compliance levels on "free-flowing" roads. Note that these are not typical of most roads as they are chosen for a complete absence of hazards such as residential properties, bends, etc. See https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/915731/vehicle-speed-compliance-statistics-2019.pdf

In addition, regarding 20mph limits the Atkins report used Floating Car Data from TomTom units and found that 80% of drivers on city centre 20mph roads and 74% of drivers on residential roads drove at less than the enforcement threshold of 24mph.

I trust this helps.

Rod King rod.k@20splenty.org


Response posted on 7th October 2020 by:
ADRIAN WALSH

E: awalsh@roadsafe.com
T: 07887552708

Do all drivers speed?

You may find some helpful research -based info here:
https://www.roadsafetyobservatory.com/Topics/drivers where there is a lot about speed.


Response posted on 7th October 2020 by:
Emma Kelly

E: Emma.Kelly@roadsafetysupport.co.uk
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Do all drivers speed?

Duncan,
There is a lot of evidence in the public domain that speeding is indeed one of the most flouted traffic laws. That said the vehicle speed compliance statistics for Great Britain in 2017, found that:
48% of cars exceeded the speed limit on motorways;
9% of cars exceed the speed limit on national speed limit single carriageways;
52% of cars exceeded the speed limit on 30 mph roads;
86% of cars exceeded the speed limit on 20 mph roads.

In 2018 the same study found:
46% of cars exceeded the speed limit on motorways
10% of cars exceeded the speed limit on national speed limit single carriageways
52% of cars exceeded the speed limit on 30mph roads a greater proportion of cars exceeded the speed limit on weekdays than weekend.

Whilst there are careful drivers out there, unfortunately we focus on those who flout the rules.

It was held in an appeal, as one of my colleagues recalls, that if you flash your lights at someone to warn a driver that they approaching a police enforcement speedmeter it is not an offence unless the person who has been warned can be shown to have been speeding before they were warned and they then slowed down. If they can prove it then it can be an offence of obstruction or perverting the course of justice. It is not an offence to post on FB, a lot of people have GPS navigation systems within their vehicles which warns them of enforcement sites. I personally feel that this is where we need to embrace this and incorporate it into our enforcement strategies. At the end of the day people posting on social media help to spread general deterrence, ultimately leading to road users reducing speeds. As a former comms manager in a road safety partnership, now working for Road Safety Support, I used to thank people for doing this this elicited a mixed response, but in the main people were supportive.

Here are two papers that may assist you.
The first looks at why drivers exceed the speed limit
https://ec.europa.eu/transport/road_safety/specialist/knowledge/speed/many_drivers_exceed_the_speed_limit/speed_choice_why_do_drivers_exceed_the_speed_limit_en#:~:text=All%20motor%20vehicles%20have%20a,to%20speed%20choice%20%5B30%5D.
The second looks at why we need to change our enforcement strategy to adopt a Wide Area Enforcement Strategy. This talks about increasing compliance but also using positive messaging from a communications perspective. I also included lots of references within the paper that you may find useful. Whilst the document looks at the history of safety cameras, it provides a basis for understanding for those who may be new to the world of automated speed enforcement or those looking to understand why we took the decisions we did between 1992 to date and why we need to move from a RAG enforcement strategy to a Wide Area Enforcement Strategy.
https://www.roadsafetysupport.co.uk/sites/default/files/Road%20Safety%20Support%20-%20Enforcement%20Strategy%20-%20Raising%20the%20Game%20September%202019%20re%20edited%20August%202020.pdf

Im happy to help if you need any further assistance. Nick will be able to provide you with my email address if you would like to discuss this in more detail.


Response posted on 8th October 2020 by:
Martin Evans

E: martin@verodrive.co.uk
T: 07712877508

Do all drivers speed?

I also don't believe publishing the site of speed cameras is illegal...many satnavs warn of fixed cameras for instance.

I do believe many drivers speed with 20s and 30s and motorways being the worst examples. Well over 1 million get caught every year and that's usually at great than the limit + 10% + 2 as well.


Response posted on 8th October 2020 by:
John Walsh

E: john.walsh@stayingalivetodrive.co.uk
T: 07831599100

Do all drivers speed?

I suggest that 30%-40% speed habitually - and half of those speed significantly and dangerously.

The remaining 60%-70% try to observe limits - and a third of those "drift" carelessly upwards beyond the 10%+2 margin.

My opinions are anecdotal not scientific or statistically measured - just what I see daily covering annually 35K miles up and down the country.


Response posted on 8th October 2020 by:
Andrew Fraser

E: andmarg@hotmail.co.uk
T:

Do all drivers speed? - The Answer

Dear Duncan,

The answer to your main question is NO - all drivers do not speed (whatever that rather loose term means).

Intelligent Speed Assistance (ISA) helps drivers of London's buses to stay within the speed limits - no matter how inappropriate they may seem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoZLrZTnUGs&feature=youtu.be

I see that others have answered your other two questions.

You may wonder why the UK governments prefer criminalising drivers over helping them ... so do I.

Regards,


Andrew.


Response posted on 22nd October 2020 by:
Andy Garden

E: blueacorns@gmail.com
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Do all drivers speed?

Duncan, speeding can, for the purists, be exceed the speed limit as in 31mph in a 30 limit or exceed so as to be prosecuted and of course more safety related is inappropriate speed for the conditions.
As much as drivers may exceed the posted limits, some of those limits are equally questionable but thats for another day.
Unless the vehicle is technically restrained to the posted limit, I would suggest that they would be extremely few drivers who do not exceed a speed limit on any journey, even if it's the proverbial 1mph, but may not be so much as to warrant a prosecution.
IMHO, the stats, merely report on what they found at very defined areas and locations and whether you accept that as an overall picture or not is a personal choice.
Our challenge, if there is to be real change, is to prove that enforcement is about safety not merely a revenue stream


Response posted on 23rd October 2020 by:
Rod King

E: rod.k@20splenty.org
T: 07973639781

Do all drivers speed?

I am afraid Emma's response is untrue when she says :-

"86% of cars exceeded the speed limit on 20 mph roads."

The data she referred to was on just 9 roads across the UK which were chosen as being "free-flowing" and "devoid of hazards". The report actually says that they were atypical of most 20mph roads.

It is therefore misleading to extrapolate from just 9 atypical 20mph roads into "86% of cars exceeded the speed limit on 20 mph roads."


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