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Help requested posted on 28th February 2017:

Speed limit repeater signs

We have had a request for 30mph repeater signs on a restricted road in one of our rural villages. The road has pole mounted street lamps that are difficult to see. The road does look rural in appearance and I have some sympathy with residents. I have thought about providing information type signing stating that the road is 30mph. Has anyone used similar signs or found a different solution?

Steve Harrison

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Response posted on 28th February 2017 by:
John Siddle

E: john.siddle@lincolnshire.gov.uk
T: 01522 805800

Speed limit repeater signs

Whenever this has come up it has been down to 'Street Lighting' at Highways to make the decision as to whether the lighting is adequate. If they say it is, no need for signs.


Response posted on 28th February 2017 by:
Steve Barber

E: sbarber2@kierwsp.co.uk
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Speed limit repeater signs

Hi,

Previously in a Rural Location (village of Rockingham) the police decided that the lighting provided was not adequate to illuminate the highway, and consequently we fitted repeaters in the village.
Other alternative are temporary 30 mph reminder posters. Usually in place for 5 to 6 weeks, could be rotated by the parish council?


Response posted on 28th February 2017 by:
Derek C Donald

E: d.c.donald@btinternet.com
T: 01463792154

Speed limit repeater signs

On 30mph roads where there is street lighting spaced at no more than 183 metres (185 metres in Scotland) Repeaters should not be erected. If the speed limit is a combination of lit and unlit sections, Repeaters may be erected in the unlit section depending on the length of the unlit section.
All this can be found in Dft Traffic Advisory Leaflet 1/95 Speed Limit Signs - A guide to Good Practice, which should be available from your Authority's Traffic Engineering Unit. If not email me and I'll send you a copy. To my knowledge this document has not been withdrawn or amended.


Response posted on 1st March 2017 by:
Emily Tester

E: emily.tester@brighton-hove.gov.uk
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Speed limit repeater signs

The Road Safety Technician tells me that if there is a system of street lighting in place, which in this case there is, then any repeater signs will make the current limit unenforceable, however, I have seen in several villlages temporary poster type signs designed by local school children that seem to have the desired effect.


Response posted on 1st March 2017 by:
David Sharp

E: david.sharp@midlothian.gov.uk
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Speed limit repeater signs

re Derek C Donald comment above: TAL 1/95 was superseded by Chapter 3 of the Traffic Signs Manual in 2008 (section 14.3). TSRGD 2016 says "The sign must not be placed as a repeater sign where the road is subject to a maximum speed limit of 30 mph and has a system of carriageway lighting". It has dropped the reference to distances between lamps that was in earlier versions.


Response posted on 2nd March 2017 by:
john bowman

E: javbowman@btinternet.com
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Speed limit repeater signs

The problem hinges on whether the street lighting is classed as sufficient ie many parishes have very low lighting level lamps placed on poles throughout but it is of such poor quality it does highlight, as described by others here. Sometimes known as 'Parish lighting', so repeaters could be used. However, it is my belief that the regs do not say that the system of street lighting has to work.


Response posted on 9th March 2017 by:
Edward Handley

E: edward@wrrsconsultancy.co.uk
T: 0118 9883600

Speed limit repeater signs

Given that the regulations do not permit repeater signs where there are steer lamps, and there is clearly a problem with drivers "forgetting" the limit, the best solution may be 30 signs painted on the road surface. Often not popular with some residents as they can be seen as urbanising but there is evidence that they are more effective than small repeaters which can easily get lost in hedges or over hanging branches. It is a balancing act between the excessive speed and the urbanising effects


Response posted on 9th March 2017 by:
Steve Harrison

E: steve.harrison@northlincs.gov.uk
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Speed limit repeater signs

Thanks for all your responses, I will discuss with out police contacts re options.


Response posted on 9th March 2017 by:
Rod King

E: rod.k@20splenty.org
T: +447973639781

Speed limit repeater signs

In many such places the Speed Enforcement Reminder signs are used. These may be used where there is street lighting and are able to show the speed limit.

There is no regulation regarding the frequency of enforcement.

May I suggest that a solution could be the erection of such signs which are completely in accordance with the TSRGD.


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