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Help requested posted on 14th September 2017:

Patrols on Zebra Crossing

Can anyone let me have their local authority adopted engineer's guidance for a patrol to be required on a Zebra?

Beryl Miles

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Response posted on 16th September 2017 by:
Kate Carpenter

E: kate.carpenter@jacobs.com
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Patrols on Zebra Crossing

My 'devil's advocate' question would be 'why should a patrol be needed on a zebra crossing?' if the crossing is not safe without a patrol, it's also unsafe all day at weekends; in the holidays; when returning later from after-school clubs etc. My instinct is that a child old enough that a parent or guardian is happy to let them walk alone then they are old enough to judge the use of a zebra. If speeds are too high to make this safe, then the crossing probably doesn't comply with the LTN 1/95 and LTN 2/95 guidance and should be altered. I know many authorities struggle to get enough patrols; sites with controlled crossings would be my absolute last priority, partly because it gives a strange message to a child; you cannot safely cross here alone on school days at start and finish but going to shops, town, holidays etc you're on your own. That feels like an inconsistent message which I believe is the opposite of what children need. I am sure others will disagree, but I've thought about this a lot for many years and can't find any way of making sense of the inconsistent message.


Response posted on 18th September 2017 by:
Rae Callander

E: rae.callander@falkirk.gov.uk
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Patrols on Zebra Crossing

We work within the SCP Guidelines.

Currently we have one SCP at a Zebra X but we have 3 others at light controlled crossings. These SCP's were in place prior to the Zebra X/Light controlled Crossing being created. There were no other vacancies at the time in the same areas offering the same hours therefore the SCP's remain. However, if a vacancy became available in these areas offering the same hours, we would move the SCP and children would use the crossing as they would normally out of school hours. The exception to this rule would be the width of the carriageway being over 12 meters.

On a personal note, I agree with Kate's comments about giving mixed messages to children at Zebra/Light Controlled crossings.


Response posted on 18th September 2017 by:
Alex

E: alex.drysdale@westberks.gov.uk
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Patrols on Zebra Crossing

Falkirk seems to be an exception to the rule then with more SCPs than they know what to do with (we can hardly get anyone to apply for positions in the past around our way) and the Council bean counters haven't twigged there's a saving to be made there..

Presumably they're just in charge of pushing the button at signal controlled crossings as it would be an odd situation to have a green light showing and an SCP in position stopping traffic.


Response posted on 18th September 2017 by:
Richard Hall

E: richard.hall@northlincs.gov.uk
T: 01724 297346

Patrols on Zebra Crossing

In North Lincolnshire we do have some patrols on zebra crossings. Whilst light controlled crossings are a duplication of resources as both require vehicles to stop before pedestrians cross zebra crossings rely on the judgement of the pedestrian of when it is safe to cross. Children are more liable to make mistakes in that sort of situation so in some circumstances we do provide a patrol (where we can recruit). We assess in the usual way and do not use any guidance from engineers.


Response posted on 21st September 2017 by:
Deborah Hunter

E: deborah.hunter@staffordshire.gov.uk
T: 01785

Patrols on Zebra Crossing

Staffordshire currently has several school crossing patrols on zebra crossings. While a zebra is some protection, at school times on busy roads, children can be unpredictable and a patrol provides the expertise to ensure the children are able to cross safely. We assess using the national guidelines


Response posted on 21st September 2017 by:
Colin Savage

E: colin.savage@devon.gov.uk
T: 01392 383000

Patrols on Zebra Crossing

There a few sites in Devon where Patrols are deployed on zebras so it's not black and white..
I suspect it may have been due to pressure from the school community however there are schools who are prepared a fund a Patrol, sometimes temporarily, on a zebra, especially if it's a recent installation e.g. a new school site and the school feels it will assist the transition for children and parents. Schools are advised of the risks such as the potential confusion for drivers with having a patrol on a formal crossing.
To answer your question, Beryl, we form our own evidence based decision. What would be useful is an agreed national criteria PV2 adjustment when the site is on a formal crossing - either a higher PV2 than the 4 million normally used or a 'negative' adjustment factor.


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