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Help requested posted on 13th July 2018:

School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

I've been asked by a local country park if I can provide a School Crossing Patrol. They have large numbers of school children visiting daily, who must cross a busy road from the car park to the park entrance.

My initial thoughts were that these children are crossing a road, but are not travelling to or from school, and so do not fall within our remit, as per the guidelines. However, they sound pretty desperate, so I'm willing to look into it for them. Does anyone have any experience of patrols working at non-school sites?

Darren Dowd

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Response posted on 15th July 2018 by:
Derek C Donald

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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Darren,
This site appears to me to be more worthy of a signalled pedestrian crossing, as I believe that you would have great difficulty in employing a patroller for the full time the playpark would be used, and I would assume that this would also include Saturdays and Sundays and evenings.You say that the playpark is opposite a car park which leads me to wonder why the parents are not seeing the children across the road or are they just dropping them in the car park and driving off.


Response posted on 16th July 2018 by:
Mark Symonds

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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Hi Darren,

We provide a School Crossing Guide for the many school visits to the Edinburgh International Book Festival. However, this is only for 10 days per year.


Response posted on 16th July 2018 by:
Peter Wilson

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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Suggest warning signs both approaches, children, raised table for crossing area with a colour difference and small speed bumps on approaches.


Response posted on 17th July 2018 by:
Darren Dowd

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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Thank you for your responses.
I have asked our road safety engineers to carry out a survey to determine whether the site meets their criteria for a pedestrian crossing, though there may be issues with conservation protection orders or similar (not my area of expertise).
The park is very rural, and schools take children on outings there by bus/coach for nature trails etc. Recruiting a patrol would be almost impossible as there is a very small local population. I'm thinking perhaps of providing training for some of the park rangers, as i understand from the park manager they mostly end up getting involved anyway.


Response posted on 26th July 2018 by:
Andrew Brown

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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Just a thought but is there space for a coach drop off point for school trips on the same side of the road as the country park?.

Something for your engineers to perhaps look in to.This may be cheaper than providing crossings etc.


Response posted on 27th July 2018 by:
Caroline Howson

E: road.safety@hants.gov.uk
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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Hi Darren
I understand there is guidance for school staff who accompany pupils on off site activities and educational visits which can be found in the 'green book', available via this link http://www3.hants.gov.uk/education/outdoor-education/oe-homepage/oe-documents.htm
I trust this information is useful to you.


Response posted on 6th August 2018 by:
Darren Dowd

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School Crossing Patrols at non-school sites

Thank you Andrew and Caroline.
The coach drop off point is on the opposite side of the road unfortunately, though i think our engineers are now looking at this.
I cannot access the green book as a log in is required and there's no option to register. However, we do have our own schools offsite activities guidelines, though i think the park manager's concerns relate to non-LA schools who may or may not have similar guidelines.


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